| Oszuści hiszpańscy? |
| 22 Maja 2007 |
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Od kilku tygodni moja mama poszukuje nowego samochodu, a ponieważ mamy możliwość zakupu pojazdu w Belgii to tamten rynek jest miejscem jej poszukiwań. Wykorzystuje przy tym jeden z najpopularniejszych serwisów tego typu – autoscout24. Ofert przejrzała wiele, ale zazwyczaj albo były już nieaktualne, albo miały tylko przyciągnąć kupującego do komisu. Któregoś późnego wieczoru zadzwonił mój telefon, mama znalazła interesującą ofertę, co więcej dostała także odpowiedź e-mailową od sprzedawcy, który chwilę później został przefowardowany do mnie. Był to Nissan Micra z 2003 roku, zarejestrowany w Brukseli w bardzo okazyjnej cenie. A oto treść maila (z konta w Yahoo): Hello, Thank you for contacting me regarding my car, posted for sale. I am the first owner of the car .The price includes TVA. The car is in perfect condition , it has never been involved in accidents so it has no damages, was kept in the garage. The car is located in Huelva, Spain and i bought this car from Belgium and the car has belgian papers . I worked in Belgium and i bought the car there to have it for my work. If you want to know anything about the car feel free and ask and I will respond you in the shortest time possible. Thank you and I will wait your email for further discussion about the purchase if you are interested. I can bring the car to your location if you want to buy it. My phone is: 0040 752***731. Please if you can call me in the evening because I am at work. Thank you and have a nice day, Cholera, taki fajny samochód, tylko w Hiszpanii, ale facet jest gotów go przywieźć do Belgii. Trochę dziwne bo to około 2000 kilometrów. W każdym razie mama po namyśle stwierdziła, że to on ryzykuje wysłała kolejny mail, z kilkoma pytaniami o szczegóły. Odpowiedź przyszła tradycyjnie późnym wieczorem i wyglądała tak: Hello, As i told you in the previous email the car has never been involved in an accident. The car was always kept in garage. I will employee a shipping company to bring the car to your location. No extra costs. This is their website: www.auto-express-transport.com They work very simple , i give them the car and the papers and you pay them the money for the car. Then, they will bring the car to your location.You will be able to go to an authorized service and inspect the car and you will also test drive it. You can keep the car 3 or more days before deciding to buy it. If you agree with the car , you will make the papers and the car is yours, if not you will be fully refunded ( they will give you the money back). They will also help you with the paper registration. I will wait an answer as soon as posible. You can contact them at Adres poczty elektronicznej jest chroniony przed robotami spamującymi. W przeglądarce musi być włączona obsługa JavaScript, żeby go zobaczyć. and ask them about the procedure . Everything is made by bank and i have made business before with them and they are 100% serious company. Thank you very much for your interesst! Do tego oczywiście zdjęcia samochodu i skany belgijskiego dowodu rejestracyjnego oraz karty serwisowej (wypełnionej tak, że jest kompletnie nie czytelna). I znów dowiadujemy się, że samochód był garażowany oraz nigdy nie był „bity”. Jedna rzecz zaczyna nas zastanawiać, samochód ma mieć automatyczną skrzynię biegów, natomiast na zdjęciach wyraźnie widać pedał sprzęgła i dźwignię zmiany biegów. Ale tutaj dopiero zaczynają się schody i najciekawsza część. Facet zamierza wykorzystać do transportu firmę ( www.auto-express-transport.com), jak dowiadujemy się z ich strony firma działa na zasadzie escrow, on przekazuje im towar, my pieniądze, po czym my dostajemy samochód i kiedy się zdecydujemy oni wypłacają mu pieniądze. Sprawa przestała wyglądać tak ciekawie jak na początku, w zasadzie taki rodzaj transakcji od razu ją zdyskwalifikował. Dla pewności kiedy przyjechałem do mamy wykonałem telefon na podany wcześniej numer, po chwili usłyszałem przemiły kobiecy głos mówiący coś do mnie po hiszpańsku, jak się okazało była to skrzynka głosowa. Wysłaliśmy więc mail. Pytaliśmy m.in. o inne opcje transportu, wyposażenie dodatkowe, ową skrzynię biegów, zakres ubezpieczenia, całkowity koszt (do tej pory znaliśmy tylko cenę samochodu 3070 euro – 1000 euro mniej niż inne). Odpowiedź znów przychodzi w nocy: Hello, Price is 3070 eur including all taxes and transport costs.It has automatic gear,additional equipment are: air condition, abs, electric windows. You will receive the selling contract with car. As i told you in the previous email the car has never been involved in an accident. The car was always kept in garage. I will employee a shipping company to bring the car to your location.No extra costs. This is their website: www.auto-express-transport.com They work very simple , i give them the car and the papers and you pay them the money for the car. Then, they will bring the car to your location.You will be able to go to an authorized service and inspect the car and you will also test drive it. You can keep the car 3 or more days before deciding to buy it. If you agree with the car , you will make the papers and the car is yours, if not you will be fully refunded ( they will give you the money back). They will also help you with the paper registration. I will wait an answer as soon as posible. You can contact them at Adres poczty elektronicznej jest chroniony przed robotami spamującymi. W przeglądarce musi być włączona obsługa JavaScript, żeby go zobaczyć. and ask them about the procedure . Everything is made by bank and i have made business before with them and they are 100% serious company. Thank you very much for your interesst! O! Coś nowego samochód był garażowany i nigdy nie był „bity”, tego jeszcze nie wiedzieliśmy. W odpowiedzi nie ma natomiast, żadnych nowych szczegółów dotyczących transportu. Sprzedający upiera się natomiast przy automatycznej skrzyni (choć znów załączył te same pliki i zdjęcia na których jest manualna). Cena mimo transportu przez pół Europy też nie uległa zmianie. No cóż, kolejne oszustwo. Pod lupę poszło jeszcze kilka rzeczy, oto efekty „śledztwa”: 1) strona www.auto-express-transport.com powstała 11 maja 2007 roku, czyli tydzień przed opublikowaniem oferty sprzedaży samochodu. Nigdzie w internecie nic o niej nie ma, żadnych linków (ani jednego). Na grupach dyskusyjnych znalazłem natomiast informację o podobnie nazywającej się stronie, która była fałszywa. A oto dane z Whois domeny: Registrant: Express 275 N Kalorama Street A205 Ventura, CA 93001 US Domain name: AUTO-EXPRESS-TRANSPORT.COM Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC. Record last updated on 11-May-2007. Record expires on 11-May-2008. Record created on 11-May-2007. Domain servers in listed order: NS2.POWWEB.COM NS1.POWWEB.COM 2) Strona wymienia wśród partnerów kilka dużych firm, m.in. FedEx, DHL, Ebay, Mobile.de, wysłałem do nich maile z zapytaniem czy jest im znana. Ponieważ było to wczoraj wieczorem, na razie odpowiedź przyszła tylko z Lufthansa Cargo. Pan który mi odpowiedział nic o firmie nie słyszał, jednak ma to sprawdzić (możliwe, że któryś z krajowych oddziałów Lufthansy lub DHL z nimi współpracuje). Zaleca jednak możliwe daleko posuniętą ostrożność i skorzystanie z renomowanego przewoźnika (Lufthansa?) oraz płatności PayPalem. 3) Adres IP sprzedającego nie pochodzi z Hiszpanii a z USA (dlatego pewnie odpisywał w nocy) Obecnie jestem na etapie dowiadywania się czy polska policja cokolwiek z tym zrobi, jeżeli tak, złożę stosowne zawiadomienie. Pobawię się jeszcze z facetem, pomęcze go trochę dla zdobycia "materiału dowodowego". W USA zajmuje się tym Secret Service, więc im pewnie też dam znać. Zastanawiają mnie też skany dowodu rejestracyjnego, podejrzewam, że jest albo kradziony albo fałszywy. W dokumencie są numery nadwozia, adres właściciela, itp., więc nie będzie trudno sprawdzić. Wystawiony został na nazwisko: Jacques Geens, tak samo przedstawiał się w sprzedający. Nas nie udało się nabrać, ale skoro ktoś próbował, to na pewno są tacy, którzy się nabierają. |
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Komentarze
No coz tak to jets jak sie ufa wszystkiemu co ludzie pisza. Cale szczecie ja nie zaufalam...
Mam nadzieje,ze jakos uda sie ten proceder ukrucic...
Pozdrawiam,
Ja jestem właśnie na etapie \"dobijania\" pytaniami chyba TWOJEGO złodzieja (sądząc po identycznej niemalże korespondencji). Jaguar S-Type, tańszy o 5000 euro od ceny rynkowej. Na moją propozycję przyjazdu i finalizowania transakcji w Londynie zaproponował dostawę \"pod dom\" poprzez firmę EuroCars Shipping i wziął na siebie cały koszt związany z dostawą. Firma ta jest gotowa w ciągu 48 godzin dostarczyć auto pod mój dom i czeka tylko na potwierdzenie wpłaty 20% zaliczki - oczywiście Western Union. Nie są jednak w stanie przedstawić skanów ani dokumentów pojazdu ani nawet podać numeru VIN, podobno ze względu na ochronę danych przed złodziejami wykorzystującymi je do oszustw internetowych.
Czekam na kolejne maile od EuroCars Shipping lub BERCOT FARMES, tak przynajmniej w mailu przedstwia się właściciel.
Jescze trochę powalczę i również prześlę całą korespondencję Policji.
Pozdrawiam
Rysiek
W moim przypadku sprzedawca podaje się za brata zmarłego w wypadku motocyklowym właściciela samochodu, podaje że mieszka we Włoszech a brat żył w Niemczech. Mieliśmy sie spotkać w Mediolanie bo to bliżej do mnie wiec on przyjechałby z Neapolu..
Też pisał że chce mieć pewnośc ze jestem zainteresowana samochodem bo miał już kupca przez którego poniósł straty.
Chce abym dokonała depozytu w Western Union jednak na swoje nazwisko co miałoby być dla mnie zabezpieczeniem, ze nie chce mnie oszukać.. Oczywiscie zwróci mi prowizję i takie tam, a jak się rozmyśle to mi zwróci koszty podróży.. zapewniał ze jak przyjade to pojedziemy do mechanika sprawdzić samochód a potem na policje zeby potwierdzić ze wszytko ok.. (!)
Na szczęście jestem dość nieufna i zaczelam drążyć temat, Pan Roman Smolka przesłał mi nawet skan papierów samochodu oraz swojego dowodu osobistego. Jednak jak poprosiłam o podanie numeru vin samochodu, odmówił twierdzac ze nie może tego zrobic przez Internet ze już przesłał mi skany i to powinno wystarczyć.
Super okazja Audi A3 z 2002 roku za 2900euro. znalezione na mobile.de:
mobile.de/.../...
Przestrzegam!
dzieki wszystkim i pozdrawiam!!
Hi,
My name is Jean Gilbert and I'm glad to hear that you are interested about my
car.
About the car : EVERYTHING ON THE CAR IS NEW. IT DRIVES EXCELLENT AND RUNS PERFECT, IT HAS NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY KIND OF ACCIDENTS, AND HAS NO UNKNOWN MECHANICAL PROBLEMS, what can I say the car looks and drive like NEW!!! I have all the documents which I can transfer the car to your name.The car will come with wintter tires.
At this time I am out of the country traveling to Belgrad, Serbia as I have floating kidney and I will suffer a transplant operation at the end of the next week. I need to sell the car to raise some cash for the kidney transplant operation.
The price nfor my car is
9.450 â?Ź
As I am not available to meet you in person I will pay for the shipping costs. The car will be shipped from Belgrad, Serbia.
You will receive all the papers and all the documents that I have for it. Also you should know that the car is still registered in Frnace.
You have nothing to worry about this deal because it will be done in a secure way
and that means we conclude the deal via AutoScout24.
If you didn't hear about deals through
AutoScout24 Auto Vehicle Purchase Protection send me now your full name, complete address and will contact you with all the details regarding this transaction. I am ready to ship the car immediately in this circumstances so please contact me ASAP!!!
Thank you!
Jean Gilbert
P.S. I need your correct full name, shipping address in order to contact
AutoScout24 and start our deal in case you want to buy my car.
Jak sprawdzię, czy to nie jest przekrÄ?t?
I hope you understand english because I don't write german even if I lived and worked in Germany for a year.
During my staying I bought the car in Germany because i worked there. Now i'm in United Kingdom and i will stay here because i finished the contract of work in Germany.
I need a UK type car. I find one here in United Kingdom but the dealer told me that he cannot accept my car for more than 1.500 â?Ź because the frill is in the left and then I decided to sell it alone. I have to sell it quick because I do not want to lose the one that i found here.
The price of the car is 3.299 â?Ź taxes to register the car in your country.
The interior is in virtually spotless condition. Nobody smoked in this car. The seats are clean and not torn. The air con is cold like a fridge. The exterior is in excellent condition, has no technical damages ,no scratches or dents and it has 155.000 km. Mechanically the car is in very good condition, tires are in good shape, brakes work well and the car provides very good fuel economy. I tell you sincerely that in this moment i don't know a problem that this car can have and i give you my word that i never forced the car and i make all the changes on the time.
Technical inspection and emissions testing is passed and stamped as well. It has title of ownership, cleared of any
obligations or fees and comes with all the german documents.
If you are interested to buy this car than contact me as soon as you can for more information's.
Thank you
DRUGI MEIL OD NIEGO :-)
Hello,
I bought the car from Germany and it's still registered in Germany but now i'm in United Kingdom like i said in my first email.
Here is how I want to go about delivery and payment for the car which will be through Glatva Courier escrow company and will also give you the chance to inspect the car before I receive the payment for it. I will explain to you step by step how this will work:
A. First you have to send me your shipping information (your name and address).
1. After I receive your shipping info, I will go to escrow company and leave the car onto your name and with your shipping address as the intended receiver.
2. The escrow service will check the car also the legal papers to see that everything is OK with it.
B . You will receive a notification from escrow service as a confirmation that the car is in their custody and also, that the car has been tested.
1. After that, you will have to send the payment to escrow service so they can bring you the car at your house for inspection.
NOTE: Payment is by Bank Wire Transfer not Western Union or other method.
2. The escrow service will verify the Transfer, and if everything is in order, they will deliver the car directly at your door.
3. After you will receive the car and you will be completely satisfied with it, they will register the car on your name and your address.
C. If by any reason, you will not be satisfied, you will return the car to escrow service with no expense.
I will support all the taxes and fees, you will have between 2- 10 days period to inspect the car and if you are not satisfied in it you will be fully refunded within 24 hours. Any damaged or returned unit will be either replaced or refunded.
If you agree with the conditions please provide me your full name and address for shipping, so I can initiate the transaction through escrow service.
After that they will contact you with transaction details, invoice, payment instructions and more information about escrow service protection.
Please reply as soon as possible because I have lots of interested customers.
Regard
Telefon ktory podal nie odbiera sami oszusci
ta sama sprawa super cena za auto a samochod w anglii z niemieckimi dokumentami oczywiscie zdjecie briefu itd nazwisko
"Donna Grant"
nie dajcie sie oszukac!!!
MAIL 1
Hello,
I hope you understand english because I don't write german even if I lived and worked in Germany for a year.
During my staying I bought the car in Germany because i worked there. Now i'm in United Kingdom and i will stay here because i finished the contract of work in Germany.
I need a UK type car. I find one here in United Kingdom but the dealer told me that he cannot accept my car for more than 1.300 â?Ź because the frill is in the left and then I decided to sell it alone. I have to sell it quick because I do not want to lose the one that i found here.
The price of the car is 2.599 â?Ź taxes to register the car in your country.
The interior is in virtually spotless condition. Nobody smoked in this car. The seats are clean and not torn. The air con is cold like a fridge. The exterior is in excellent condition, has no technical damages ,no scratches or dents and it has 186.000 km. Mechanically the car is in very good condition, tires are in good shape, brakes work well and the car provides very good fuel economy. I tell you sincerely that in this moment i don't know a problem that this car can have and i give you my word that i never forced the car and i make all the changes on the time.
Technical inspection and emissions testing is passed and stamped as well. It has title of ownership, cleared of any
obligations or fees and comes with all the german documents.
If you are interested to buy this car than contact me as soon as you can for more information's.
Thank you
MAIL 2
Hello,
I bought the car from Germany and it's still registered in Germany but now i'm in United Kingdom like i said in my first email.
Here is how I want to go about delivery and payment for the car which will be through Glatva Courier escrow company and will also give you the chance to inspect the car before I receive the payment for it. I will explain to you step by step how this will work:
A. First you have to send me your shipping information (your name and address).
1. After I receive your shipping info, I will go to escrow company and leave the car onto your name and with your shipping address as the intended receiver.
2. The escrow service will check the car also the legal papers to see that everything is OK with it.
B . You will receive a notification from escrow service as a confirmation that the car is in their custody and also, that the car has been tested.
1. After that, you will have to send the payment to escrow service so they can bring you the car at your house for inspection.
NOTE: Payment is by Bank Wire Transfer not Western Union or other method.
2. The escrow service will verify the Transfer, and if everything is in order, they will deliver the car directly at your door.
3. After you will receive the car and you will be completely satisfied with it, they will register the car on your name and your address.
C. If by any reason, you will not be satisfied, you will return the car to escrow service with no expense.
I will support all the taxes and fees, you will have between 2- 10 days period to inspect the car and if you are not satisfied in it you will be fully refunded within 24 hours. Any damaged or returned unit will be either replaced or refunded.
If you agree with the conditions please provide me your full name and address for shipping, so I can initiate the transaction through escrow service.
After that they will contact you with transaction details, invoice, payment instructions and more information about escrow service protection.
Please reply as soon as possible because I have lots of interested customers.
Regards,
Let me explain. The car is locked in my garage in the UK. I have left for Switzerland to give birth because I want my daughter to be born in my home country.
I will contact the shipping company to get a quote and will email you back
Due to amount involved, I suggest using the security provided by eBay's Vehicle Purchase Protection Program which will hold the cash. In my opinion this is the safest way to handle the transaction. You will have the car for inspection and test drive BEFORE any money is released to me.
Secondly, you will receive all appropriate documents along with the vehicle. Naturally, I will sign the section 8 in the V5 form so you can easily transfer the car into your name.
1. Buyer, seller reach an agreement (price and delivery conditions)
2. Buyer sends money to eBay.
3. eBay confirms to seller that the amount has been received.
4. Seller performs the required services (shipping, insurance).
5. Buyer accepts delivery and informs eBay about the acceptance.
6. eBay releases the money to seller.
As you can see, you will receive the car BEFORE any money is released to me. You will get the chance to inspect it, test drive it and everything you like while your money is still safely held in eBay's account. ONLY after you confirm to eBay that you agree with the vehicle, they will release the money to me.
If, for some reason, you disagree with the car (I assure you that is NOT going to happen since my car is in IMMACULATE condition inside and out) it will be shipped back to me on MY EXPENSE and eBay will send you your money back.
From the moment you receive the car you have 15 days to inspect it. If is not like I said or something is not ok with it you can reject it and eBay will fully refund you and the vehicle will be shipped back to me, on my expense.
EBay will transfer the money to me, only after you will confirm, them the purchase of the vehicle. Until then, the money will be safe kept by eBay and not released to me.
The car will be shipped directly to your requested address, as soon as I will have the payment confirmation from eBay. EBay will hold the money until you will receive, inspect and accept the car.
Let me know if you need anything else.
Regards
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